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#36294 - 04/04/08 04:19 PM Re: Master Cams [Re: Aya]
quanto_the_mad
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Thanks Aya! I've been meaning to stop by and ask when club day was, saved me a trip!
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#36469 - 04/13/08 11:01 PM Re: Master Cams [Re: Aya]
Smike
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Fondled some the other day... Not too impressed. Doesn’t seem to have any advantages over Aliens (Functionally anyway) and a few short comings such as a stem that is wider in the opposite plane then the cam lobs. Not a big deal for larger sizes, but when you look at the smaller ones it seems like its going to limit how deep you can slot them into crack.

See the center cam in this pic.
http://www.rockclimbing.com/images/photos/assets/1/341371-work-mastercam.jpg

Only reason I can see is so they have more flexibility placed in vertical cracks. Kind of the opposite of the way C3’s flex.

Also just can’t get past those Kevlar trigger cords. I know they are supposed to hold up, but they still look like strings.


Edited by Smike (04/14/08 10:34 AM)
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#36470 - 04/14/08 10:08 AM Re: Master Cams [Re: Smike]
Dillbag
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What's a "cram lobe" and I can't figure out what a "sting" looks like...
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#36471 - 04/14/08 10:34 AM Re: Master Cams [Re: Dillbag]
Smike
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There.... mo better for you dillhole?
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#36473 - 04/14/08 10:57 AM Re: Master Cams [Re: Smike]
chip
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I bit on a blue and yellow, but haven't gotten to place them yet. I also noticed this potential issue on the blue size, but I think it is far enough up the stem that it won't be a problem most of the time. That said, I'll probably get jammed up on my first sketched out placement.
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#36474 - 04/14/08 10:58 AM Re: Master Cams [Re: chip]
empicard
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does rock and snow have them yet?
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#36515 - 04/17/08 08:43 PM Re: Master Cams [Re: empicard]
quanto_the_mad
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I didn't see them, but I wasn't looking too hard.

I did get to place the blue master cam a couple of times this week as well as clean it. Worked well enough, but we weren't placing it anywhere tricky. I placed it in horizontals and it looked fine.

Two days of climbing and a couple of placements of a single cam doesn't make for a review, but it was enough to make me want to get a few and try them out more.
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#36526 - 04/18/08 04:04 PM Re: Master Cams [Re: empicard]
jackflash
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 Originally Posted By: empicard
does rock and snow have them yet?



Yes. Sizes 1 through 6.
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#36535 - 04/18/08 11:35 PM Re: Master Cams [Re: jackflash]
rg@ofmc
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The action is very smooth, a feature of all Metolius cams.

The trigger assembly behaves somewhat peculiarly in horizontal placements; the two trigger wires and the main cable all lie in a plane perpendicular to the planes of a horizontal crack. This means that when weighted, the trigger-cable assembly will twist 90 degrees as it bends over the edge of the crack. This doesn't look "right," but I don't know if there are any real issues associated with it.
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#36572 - 04/21/08 10:04 AM Re: Master Cams [Re: rg@ofmc]
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Replaced one of my yellow aliens this weekend with the Yellow Master Cam. first impressions. Perfect fit. It fires into the cracks as smooth as an alien, sits well with no fiddling and cleans just as nice. I got the same giddy feeling from it as I do from my aliens after a bit of a run out on glyphtadon (btw, thats a nice climb once you get the tree branches out of your backside). As a plus I enjoy having cam stops at that size now too with a better trigger and thumb catch. much improved.

Everyone whom I discussed this piece with was concerned about the Cam "wires" as they look like they are made out of string. Checking online they are accually made of kevlar so we'll see how they hold up.
looks like I may slowly be replacing my aliens with these babies. except for the hybrids of course ;\) I've always been critisied as a CCH zelot. this is true only in the since that they make the tools that work the best for my climbing situations. With these new Master cams I feel like I do have a choice now.
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