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#37962 - 06/22/08 08:22 AM
New Climbers need guide
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betty800
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Hello! I'm new to the forum and relatively new to climbing. I had a question about guides that take beginners out for a day or two to get to know the Gunks and climb some basic routes, learn how to set up top-ropes, etc. In Maryland where I moved from, there is a climbing director of a rock gym that took groups out to the local outdoor park for climbing and instruction; I was wondering if there was something similar in New York that someone might recommend. We will be traveling from the NYC area. Thanks so much!
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#37963 - 06/22/08 08:47 AM
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MarcC
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Up in the main menu, click on "Climb", then in the left navigation panel on that page, click on "Guide Services".
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#37971 - 06/23/08 10:14 AM
Re: New Climbers need guide
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Dillbag
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You can also stop into Rock & Snow, they have info on a lot of the guides. There is also the EMS outpost at the "Deli" which runs classes (I think)...
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#37982 - 06/23/08 04:19 PM
Re: New Climbers need guide
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randonee
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Actually, don't bother checking that out. The AMC's NY/Northern Jersey chapter only offers climbing to people who have attended their once-a-year instructional weekend (held in the spring), or can meet their supposed standards as a walk-on leader. Since the once-a-year event was already held a couple of months ago, there's no point in contacting them now.
The other chapters of the AMC may still offer learning opportunities to new climbers, occasionally in the Gunks. Check out http://www.outdoors.org for a list of them.
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#37983 - 06/23/08 04:42 PM
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pedestrian
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Eaaasy rando, the main standard required of AMC leaders is time committment. I don't climb with them, personally, but of the people I know who do, do a lot of selfless work towards taking out beginners and they don't have unlimited resources.
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#37987 - 06/23/08 05:44 PM
Re: New Climbers need guide
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randonee
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I was merely trying to save the original poster a little time and hassle, since the AMC's local website itself says that climbing with them as a beginner this year is no longer an option:
http://www.amc-ny.org/recreational-activities/climbing/schedule/
Having climbed with groups of beginners before, I fully recognize that it's a tremendous amount of work. The local AMC's program is one way of managing that workload; other chapters may handle it differently.
As another suggestion for the OP: you might check out some of your local (NYC area) gyms, such as the City Climbers Club and the Rock Club in New Rochelle. I know that they occasionally offer group instructional trips for beginners. CCC held one last year in the Gunks; they might have another one this summer.
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#37988 - 06/23/08 06:09 PM
Re: New Climbers need guide
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pedestrian
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CCC can do that, as they're non-profit, if TRC is charging a fee for group toproping at the Gunks, that would make them an unlicensed guide service, so, I'm not where that stands with them.
I don't speak for TRC or their individual employees, but it does seem to me that the core group of TRC employees are most interested in climbing for themselves on their rare days off, at the moment, sharpening up their trad lead skills, etc...
That said, there are a couple of groups on Meetup.com that can be useful for beginners. The one Meetup group in particular I've climbed with is becoming increasingly popular, and their events "fill" up completely, but if you are self-sufficient they would probably love to share ropes with you regardless of whether the event is full.
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#38005 - 06/24/08 04:41 PM
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Chas
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What I will say will piss a lot of people off but....
I'd stick to an AMGA accredited guide, from a repuatable guide service (call Rock& Snow and ask for recommendations). You will get consistent information from someone you know has atleast a modicome of experience.
When you go with a group like AMC or such you don't know what you'll get, and unfortunately without a lot of experience you won't know if the person is REALLY experienced of not. The individual may have 20 years of hard experience or as Peter Darmi once wrote, you have have someone "with 1yrs experience, experienced 20x" (actually a poor quote but if Peter is lurking he can correct it). Unfortunately most people with the experience most needed to teach these groups don't spend te time teaching them,... and those with the least credentials to do it, unfortunately do teach them (unlike the Eastern European climbing communities that used to run camps with the best climbers in the world teaching the classes).
Edited by Chas (06/24/08 04:42 PM)
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#38022 - 06/26/08 02:35 PM
Re: New Climbers need guide
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TrippleB
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Not a bad idea to check in at a shop called Rock and Snow. The shop is located in the town of New Paltz on the main road.
Edited by TrippleB (06/26/08 03:57 PM)
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